If your fellow Catholics at the Galileo Was Wrong conference would look at the overwhelming evidence of the opposition, perhaps they might learn that the earth rotates on its axis. For example, if I were told where to point a telescope and view angels, pearly gates, and golden streets, I would admit that the Christian heaven exists. Its not the average book to be read cover to cover. God had put such amazing restrictions on it. Of course, you may disagree with them, but by doing so, you are disagreeing with dozens of Catholic church fathers and popes. I think God highlighted the demands for perfection in the Old Testament in an outward way so as to make really clear that no form of imperfection would ever stand in Gods presence permanently. The Catholic church claims same the exact same thing that you do. So it seems much more likely that, while God could be doing all those things you claim, it is NOT God and just the Israelites doing what they think is necessary because they want to avoid pissing God off even it means killing someone or even groups of innocent people. The heresies you mentioned as an example were dealt with in the Church even without an official condemnation by the Ecumenical Council. How did you arrive at the conclusion that the verse shows the God of the Old Testament is nothing more than an invention of the people at that time? It would be one thing if it was just the handicapped, but the number of people who could serve was narrow already. In all the ages the Roman Church has owned slaves, bought and sold slaves, authorized and encouraged her children to trade in them. The heresy has slowly evolved during the few centuries prior to the great schism of 1054. I am in favor of reading verses in context if it means reading surrounding text of the same book. I am glad you admit that some of your church fathers had wrong ideas about astronomy. Othodox Christianity was not invented until 325 AD. My main point is that I see no reason to believe that the bible/torah is anything more than the views of the people (not God) of ancient times. It shows right in the previous chapter that the reason that this happened was because there was no leader after the death of Samson, and each person did what was right in his own eyes. The text repeats the refrain in the begining of the chapter in question that there was no king in those days. Dont get me wrong, I have my questions about the Torah that I (mostly) follow. It was just not going to happen. If the God of the Old Testament did not want descendants of Aaron who are are blind or lame, disfigured or deformed to serve as priests, then he or she could have made certain no descendants had these deformities. I stand by my statements that the handicapped were discriminated against by direct order of god. Jesus said that "in this world you will have trouble" ( John 16:33 ). Long after some Christian peoples had freed their slaves the Church still held on to hers. Your next to last paragraph is filled with ignorant assumptions about me. The text implies that had they properly worshipped the God of Israel before this genocide (by not getting the false idol and bringing it into the town), all would be good. Hosea 1:2 The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. Jesus paid the price for everybody. Why did God alienate disabled persons in the Old Testament? So apologists can spare God from the implications of that particular genocide. By sanctification, and then by the recreation of everything thats broken physical dimensions of the world and moral dimensions of the world God is also going to make everything in his presence perfect forever. And since their land lacked nothing, they were prosperous. 18 No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; 19 no man with a crippled foot or hand, 20 or who is hunchbacked or dwarfed, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. The Torahs aim was to create a religion that was to carry through for thousands of years, and thereby bring its message to generations of people. Suddenly, you are an expert, knowing the mind of god in every situation and having a perfect interpretation of scripture, after admitting earlier that you were unaware of such scripture. In fact, God plays no part in this episode. Of course, God didnt really expect Abraham to sacrifice his son, as we know, but his strong faith was what made him a great man. Why were they (Hebrews) under captivity? You can believe that the Christian God does not exist, but the idea, the philosophical concept of Christian God does exist, and you hate that idea. God was showing us our need for a Savior & forgiveness of sins. Verses written or inspired by a god would be MUCH BETTER than the verses in the bible. If God does exist, who are we to say what his motives are, while at the same time dismissing biology? (What?) We can see evidence of this in the fact that they continue to adapt to their environments. Funnily enough Kadesh is also very much related to holy which establishes the fact the two were very close concepts in ancient Hebrew. However, the protection in the Torah for both women in the form of guaranteed payments upon divorce, and slaves in terms of laws of how they are to be treated, were unmatched for the time period. Hosea 1:2 The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. Evangelist Billy Graham speaks during the final day of his Crusade at Flushing Meadows Park in New York June 26, 2005. So, why is the Bible different? God bless. Your claim doesnt prove anything, only that you are obsessed with the idea that every book of the Bible must be completely self explanatory and self sufficient. Most Christians could not tell me anything about Ebionites, Marcionites, Gnostics, Aryanisn, Letter of Athanaisus, Council of Nicea, Septuagint, Masoretic Text, the fraud involved in the 3rd Greek translation of Erasmus, Textus Recepticus, etc. There are many Christians who claim I used to be an atheist when a more accurate description would be that they were not living the lifestyle promoted by their faith. Handicapped people mentioned: blind, lame, disfigured, deformed, crippled foot or hand, hunchback, dwarf, eye defect, sores, damaged testicles or any defect. They were deemed unfit to come near to offer the food of his God.. The rights that you mention as unfolding from the Torah are not in the Torah. You kept asking me to stop doing this, to do something I enjoy. Jesus reaches out to the physically disabledlook at the issue Paul had. What excites a Christian most? You assume that your beliefs are orthodox. One is unapproachable holiness. Jacob was sly, Isaac was naive, Jacobs sons did all sorts of crappy things, Moses had a temper that caused him to sin, Aaron was too eager too please to the point of sin, David came from questionable backgrounds AND sinned rather gravely due to sexual desires. She found that to be just as nonsensical, and more corrupt. If my five year old were God, she would probably make all food taste like lollipops, but again, probably not the best idea. It is funny that you mention all kinds of slavery but fail to mention the slavery perpetuated by Christians in the southern USA. However, biblical scholars have shown otherwise. I am not wrong. For a person who claims to know a lot about Christianity you are making a very basic mistake. I have a wife, four wonderful children, have traveled the world, work as a software engineer for a fortune 500 company. In other words, God says, I am the one who sets priests apart for my service. Protestants want to skip church history from 33 until 1541 CE. So to say that God knows that the Israelites would be killed if they didnt genocide first is silly to me because I believe God has the power to stop that. If you dont believe in that that is fine with me but I think you have the right to worship the way I choose. Does God Really Hate Me? When Deep Love Feels Like Wrath Would you pick up a book at Barnes & Nobel, read 1 line from 1 chapter & determine you know everything about the book? Sorry, earlier I was being tounge-in-cheek regarding the comment about idolatry vs. genocide. For centuries people have written stories of Near Death Experiences (NDE) seeing Heaven Hell or both. the succession of miracles and revelations were there, and not by people looking for miracles and revelation as the people in Fatima and the evangelists. Everything Happens for a Reason? But I suppose thats why the religious need faith; they have no evidence. Pingback: My Reconversion to Humanism | Sword Salad! And this is really losing its point, I believe that I have clearly answered your arguments. Out of context is a phrase often spouted by apologists. Verse Concepts A false balance is an abomination to the Lord, However, after additional research, I found other experts who have thoroughly debunked all of the atheists claims. The world was blemished. The wicked, who are still unforgiven, God hates "for their many sins, for they . He is author of. I am not a professional theologian, but I have many friends who are. I'm reading through Leviticus in my Bible reading plan. But since you brought it up, the reason that only women can enter is that most men like to look at women rather than men. Let me try to give an answer that I think honors the intention of both the Old Testament and the New Testament because I think both are the inspired word of God. I love my atheist brothers and sisters as well but come on lets quit fighting. I have provided evidence that in Leviticus 21 god discriminates against the handicapped in not letting them offer food to their god. YAre you just a blow hard with an axe to grind against disabled Christians and their families? No, God just choose them to be the temple priest but that didnt mean that they were better than the other. To try to bring that up later with no precedent would be bold indeed. 18 No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; 19 no man with a crippled foot or hand, 20 or who is hunchbacked or dwarfed, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. The simplest answer is of course the intermediary, the priest benefitted most. It looks like god is in control, even though it is the Babylonians who have control of them. Numbers approximately like 93% to 7% approved it from the torah version, but the opposite was true of the Asian version. You insist that your church is the only Christian church. It was people looking for reasons not to accept. Is god in control? But in some cases, the Bible does not forbid killing (Joshua 11:20).Just as the devil was a liar from the beginning, he was also a murderer . I will just have to have faith God is real and that will have to be it. And in the New Testament, we dont have that same kind of restriction. However, do not try to ignore blatant immorality by disquising it with the phrase out of context and acting like it was never there. If I were God and I wanted my people to know me, I would simply appear to everyone all of the world and say something in their own language that would clearly be a miracle.. Your rationalizing is after the fact and based upon theology that evolved hundreds of years later and was officially formulated at the Council of Nicea in 325 AD. Are You Guilty of Any of the "7 Things God Hates?" - Bible Study Tools New Testament commentary, written by Saint Athanasius the Great, or by Saint John Chrysostom (both in the fourth century) is still used in the Orthodox Church today, and there is nothing in them which contradicts what the Church teaches today. If you take a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Palamas you can read about a so called Hesychast controversy in the 14th century Orthodox Church. Proverbs 6:16-19 MSG - Seven Things GOD Hates - Here are six - Bible 21 No descendant of Aaron the priest who has any defect is to come near to present the offerings made to the LORD by fire. One thing that has confused me is why God would not allow people with physical defects to approach the altar (specifically in Leviticus 21:1621). With one group, however, he changed the names to Asian names so that the story did not appear to by from the torah. He will punish the wicked in accordance with His holiness and justice. I dont know if it could have. My point is that selecting only women for the Miss Universe pageant has a specific purpose. A related concept is dystheism ( Ancient Greek: , "bad god"), the belief that a god is not wholly good, and is evil. I did, in fact read the bible through twice. Furthermore, human sacrifice is associated in the Old . As far as Judges 18, that one is an easy read. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. They were prominent writers on the Christian church of their day. You can read a good review of his book here: http://infidels.org/library/modern/jeff_lowder/strobel.html. Why do you hate God? If the Torah wanted slavery to end, it could have simply said All forms of slavery are wrong. Because it permits slavery, we had to wait thousands of years to get rid of it (which is not yet completely done world wide).. "Your disability will never make God love you less.". The verses are clear that the god of the bible does discriminate against the handicapped. So again, if you truely do not believe in God, why are you so bothered that others do, to the point that you feel the need to point out its flaws in publication? Secondly, his stated approach was that of a journalist, not a scientist. Is that possible? And the Bible teaches us that the fact that Abraham had such a strong faith in God was what made him righteous in the eyes of God. Robin Basselin "Does God hate me?" It's a soul wrenching question and if you're asking this question today, you're probably struggling with overwhelming emotions of grief, pain, guilt, shame, woundedness, or anger. I dont believe you are immoral. My guess is thats pretty basic to human nature. I suggest education. 19 Bible verses about God Hating Things - Online Bible Annnnnd, you never asked IF he hated God, you just keep accusing him of it. Both verses center around Israel and/or the priests not obeying his commandments (like every single minor prophet book). If you read the bible closely, you will come to see that it is a violent book that oppresses women, children and the disabled. I will not tolerate any more posts from you that devolve into name calling and insults. He was an athiest trying to scientifically prove that God wasnt real and while writing the book and doing research, he ended up finding God and became a believer himself. Do you see how silly this is? Why do you begrudge and judge mine? Bottom line is the verse you refer to is the exact opposite of what youre saying. My mother is disabled, please note handicapped is an outdated discriminatory term, and God has been her strength through all her challenges to carry on and be an inspiration for others. By using Levitus 21 you confirm the Bible to be truth. Nothing evil can approach God without being destroyed. They write down his message. Youre only talking about the beginning of the story. WASHINGTON (AP) Donald Trump has announced a new campaign proposal on United States immigration barring "communists" and "Marxists" from entering the country. Thomas Jefferson dissected scripture for his own benefit and theres a possibility that men in power did the same, however it doesnt mean that God/ Christ doesnt exist. And you have the audacity to say protestants make stupid statements! One thing that has confused me is why God would not allow people with physical defects to approach the altar (specifically in Leviticus 21:16-21 ). I couldnt serve even if I didnt wear glasses, despite being a perfectly healthy Jewish male. You are so naive! Just like drunk people are not supposed to drive. As far as Catholicism goes, my deceased wife (Amyloidosis) was Catholic. They thought more highly of themselves than they should. That was the first time that certain truths of the faith were explicitly formulated, but it doesnt mean that the Church didnt believe in those same truths before the Council. Was on a roll until I hit send accidentally & cant determine a way to delete or edit it. I am not aware of these, but I am interested to learn about them. THAT is why they couldnt have defects. Your comments show that you are quick to judge, quick to use hateful language, and quick to make assertions that you cannot support. Many events from the Old Testament were understood in their full meaning only after Christ came to us. What are they prevented from doing: come near to offer the food of his God. Thats the reason I found your blog in the first place. If you had that you would know how it all ties together. My point is that your method accomplishes nothing. Regarding your comments about Kentucky, your qualm seems to be with the constitutionality of these laws with consideration to the separation of church and state. When I reject the claims of astrology, I am not being a bigot against astrologers. He begs God to pronounce them as guilty and punish them for their wickednessnot because of how they have . How King David remained king after the Batsheba debacle confounds me, regardless of his apologies (although it seemed to confound King David as well). 15 Bible Verses about God Hating People. He can hate the sinner in a perfectly holy way and still lovingly forgive the sinner at the moment of repentance and faith ( Malachi 1:3; Revelation 2:6; 2 Peter 3:9 ). I am saying that astorlogers have not demonstrated that they can accurately make predictions based upon the stars. But if they are honest (which they usually arent), they would note that the text implies that this whole episode was bad because of the false idol they took. I am the mother of 2 disabled sons, a community activist, columnist for special needs children, founder of a support group, & pastors wife. And also to my Christian brothers and sisters quit giving nonbelievers a reason to not like us. Of course not. I know more about the bible and early Christianity than 99.99% of all Christians. Then, the apologists deceptively try to make it sound like ALL the slavery in the bible was really just repayment of debt. Psalm 45:7. All you care about is clinging to your dead rhetoric & trying to exalt your perceived intelligence over everyone else. I recognize that morals have evolved over the years. I highly recommend you read Lost Christianities by Bart Ehrma, religious professor at UNC Chappel Hill. They quote other verses from other sections of the Bible that apply to Hebrews owning fellow Hebrew indentured servants. The Church never corrects it; and also never fails to drop in at the tail of the procession and take the credit of the correction. Knowing that there is a larger purpose brings peace. Those are just some examples of where I question and debate and struggle. King David took his God appoointed throne & immediately had a crippled boy dine in his place at the head of the table. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. I do so based on the fact that religious institution within government leaves minorities at the mercy of the majority faith. Verse 5. Work with the disabled? I saw one of those in Indiana for the first time over Thanskgiving and my wife and I have been joking about these ever since. If that doesnt meet the satisfaction of your 21st century secular view of morality, well then, guess what, it wasnt meant for you. If you do not believe, does it truely bother you that I am happy believing? We do not know who the author of these verses was (and it was NOT Moses), but we do know when these verses were written. I bought both, but havent checked them out yet. He orders another priest to marry a whore.. However, I do not think there is any valid reason why your churchs authority is any greater than any other churchs authority. There is no menion of any threat from the people of Laish, who were described many times in these verses as peaceful.. I dont believe in stories of perfection, and I dont believe that miracles are simply performed. While most Christians admit they no longer follow the Old Testament, they claim that the New Testament is a fulfillment of the Old Testament. The gospel should be beautiful. What about you? e Bible is more like a painting than a book. Thats not what happens. What Does the Bible Say about Disabilities? - Bible Study Tools Does God Hate Me? - Groundwork Bible Study Malachi 2:3 Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it. This overflowing mercy and grace reaches out to the physically, morally, and spiritually imperfect and finds a way in Jesus Christ to declare them to be perfect. The bible should have promoted human equality, gender equality, and other human rights. I have not read The Case For Faith, but when someone resorts to faith as the reason for their belief, they are abandoning science completely. What does the Bible say about coping/dealing with a terminal illness. He needed as large an army as possible to defend his kingdom and riches (if he had any). 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. God, Im sure, understands the human mind. You are only deluding yourself. How have modern bankruptcy laws been affected by this perspective? Thats one massive truth throughout the Bible. God wanted to move the people to act, and this may have been a method of doing so. If God were in control, he could just make sure no potential priest was born with deformities. Do you hate Vishna, Allah, Isis, and Thor? But your claim that the Church is hiding parts of Bible which are not politically correct is simply not true. I doubt you believe the stories of the virgin Mary appearing to young girls in Fatima, Portugal, or the miracle cures of Christian TV evangelists. The only reason idols were banned is because religion back then was a business, and Levites wanted exclusive rights. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. By the way, Orthodoxy is also growing in the States, but those people in the West who accept it say that it is the best kept secret in the West. Of course, these ideas produced some excellent results in the modern time, but we are pushing them too far. Levitics 21:18 No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; 19 no man with a crippled foot or hand, 20 or who is a hunchback or a dwarf, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. I think that at the end of ones life, if he can honestly tell God that he tried his best to seek truth and do good, then God will understand that people do not automatically know the truth. It takes the entire Bible ical knowledge you have to view it as a whole. Nothing imperfect can approach him. Theres a ground clause that helps us really crystallize the issues. It is obvious that this entire blog was founded because of your hatred towards God, or at least hatred towards God as Christians see Him. It was difficult enough to get the people of the period to treat slaves in a more humane manner, as a reading of Jeremiah would show. "Put a go in front of disabled. In the case of the ancient Hebrews, they wrote/edited the Old Testament while under Babylonian captivity. Why? The other advantage to the system was the priest could manipulate people to do work for the King, saying it was GOds will or perhaps to go to war.
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